I'll help if I can. Here is a post I made at MW in ref to the thread at RX.
Saturday, March 22, 2003 3:14 AM
I am not trying to start trouble between MW and RX. I just don't get this whole situation and the questions and answers are scattered between here and there. First of all, this guys email was posted here and not on the RX. Why? Is it because the guy didn't want to go public yet? For some reason this guys email really rings true to me. If he was just pissed at the book he would have done what so many others do, and just smear the book publicly and make up lies.
So Bodog tells Shrink a story that is posted over there but not here because of bad blood I guess. I'm trying to keep an open mind but Patrick McIrish took on the Shrink and shredded Bo(gus)dog. Because it is spread out over 2 sites I hope you don't mind if I quote what the shrink says is Bogusdog's statement.
The emailed complaint-
<< I am having a situation with BoDog sportsbook. I don't want to make a big
deal out of this so I thought it was best to keep it off the boards and send
it to you privately. I set up an account there with a direct bank transfer.
The Prescription indicated it was a decent book and I thought I'd give it a
shot. Well, I beleive they are using their rules to their own advantage to
discrimiate against winners. When I set up the account using DBT, I
accidentally checked off checking instead of savings (at least that is what
BoDog is telling me). Since my deposit was held up in processing - Bodog is
stating that the intitial deposit and all winnings (which was approximately
$6,000) must be null and void. I faxed in all the information showing that
the account is valid and that there is plenty of money in it. However, BoDog
is claiming fraud saying that I intentionally did this so they wouldnt get
paid. I do not believe this is fair. As I say in the below email, I have had
accounts at Heritage, WWTS, etc. where I have never had an issue with
anyone.
Bogusdogs statement posted by the Shrink at RX-
<< As I promised, I emailed BODOG about this situation, and here is what they had to say.
This seems very plausable to me...
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>"Her initial deposit came back NSF from the processor and by our rules all plays are void (win or loss). This account was already under suspicion as the plays were very similar to another account using an almost identical IP address indicating they were co-workers and the email complaints for this account came from an address registered to the other account. It is possible their error in registration was an honest mistake, but it was a mistake that resulted in us not getting the funds regardless.
BTW, the other account is up over $7000 and we have paid out every penny as all his deposits have cleared!" >><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What Patrick McIrish said-
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR><< Ken, forgive me for being reluctant to believe this without question. This sounds very plausible to you.....?
BoDog IS ALREADY VERY SUSPICIOUS of this account yet they still allowed bets? They not only let this account play, nothing is done or said until they owe this person $6000? Thought they were suspicious? When did they notify this person of the NSF? Why would they ever release the funds to be bet with in the first place before they were sure the money was good? They allowed the person to play and now that he won there is a problem? And one other thing Ken have you ever heard of a case like this where they made a mistake and allowed a player to bet and then PUT BACK some loses into an account? Just give me one example of BoDog doing this! It is almost unreal how fortunate BoDog is that though this suspicious person not only snuck in and BoDog allowed them to play, but it was very fortunate they are now forced to confiscate this players winnings!!! Gee that is much better than if the person would have lost $6000. But it is plausible for you to believe had this player lost BoDog would be telling them "no we allowed you to bet and it was our mistake, you keep the $6000 you lost". I think I'm going to puke....
Lastly as if this isn't pathetic enough, BoDog claims in an attempt to sooth customer fears,
BTW, the other account is up over $7000 and we have paid out every penny as all his deposits have cleared!"
Huh? Thought they said above HER INITIAL DEPOSIT?? Now they are claiming this one is a him? Oh that's right they somehow deduced these were co-workers? LOL. The worst part is that outside of the lies here they want brownie points for paying someone that has beat them out of $7000? That's what they are in business to do. Has BoDog really slumped to this level of bragging on paying a man his money? I guess we are supposed to say, hey BoDog paid another person $7000, they probably didn't take shot here for $6000. Seems logical to me.
This is a bettor with a history of playing through sportsbooks, claims he would even offer up references. Yet we are told that BoDog made a mistake and allowed this player to wager but won't honor the bets now. They did not catch the player before he won big bucks even though they were suspicious before it happened? Then as a coincidence this player won a good sized amount and was never notifed of anything until he won the money? Even still the players bank said there would be no problem at all with this money being deposited. Yet this is very plausbile to you Ken? I'm very thankful we have watchdog sites with your tenacity around sir.
Anyway don't worry about it. I know they send you a check monthly so a lot of things are pretty plausible to you and Peep. Maybe you can open up a special forum for the BoDog players when this one runs out with their money like NAB and the others have. BTW we hear anything from WagersParadise of late? Peace out. >><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
(SORRY, NO LIVE LINKS, TY)
So is this what it all comes down to? Bogusdog makes up some shlt about the account being NSF AND, in case that wasn't enough, from a suspicious IP address. For liars and cheats, bogusdog ain't very good at it. Let's see some of these records! Did the Shrink listen to the tapes of the dispute? If that pitiful sounding bullshlt is all bogusdog can come up with in the way of proof, I have to say that anyone who would trust them with a single dollar of postup cash is a fool.
Saturday, March 22, 2003 3:14 AM
I am not trying to start trouble between MW and RX. I just don't get this whole situation and the questions and answers are scattered between here and there. First of all, this guys email was posted here and not on the RX. Why? Is it because the guy didn't want to go public yet? For some reason this guys email really rings true to me. If he was just pissed at the book he would have done what so many others do, and just smear the book publicly and make up lies.
So Bodog tells Shrink a story that is posted over there but not here because of bad blood I guess. I'm trying to keep an open mind but Patrick McIrish took on the Shrink and shredded Bo(gus)dog. Because it is spread out over 2 sites I hope you don't mind if I quote what the shrink says is Bogusdog's statement.
The emailed complaint-
<< I am having a situation with BoDog sportsbook. I don't want to make a big
deal out of this so I thought it was best to keep it off the boards and send
it to you privately. I set up an account there with a direct bank transfer.
The Prescription indicated it was a decent book and I thought I'd give it a
shot. Well, I beleive they are using their rules to their own advantage to
discrimiate against winners. When I set up the account using DBT, I
accidentally checked off checking instead of savings (at least that is what
BoDog is telling me). Since my deposit was held up in processing - Bodog is
stating that the intitial deposit and all winnings (which was approximately
$6,000) must be null and void. I faxed in all the information showing that
the account is valid and that there is plenty of money in it. However, BoDog
is claiming fraud saying that I intentionally did this so they wouldnt get
paid. I do not believe this is fair. As I say in the below email, I have had
accounts at Heritage, WWTS, etc. where I have never had an issue with
anyone.
Bogusdogs statement posted by the Shrink at RX-
<< As I promised, I emailed BODOG about this situation, and here is what they had to say.
This seems very plausable to me...
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>"Her initial deposit came back NSF from the processor and by our rules all plays are void (win or loss). This account was already under suspicion as the plays were very similar to another account using an almost identical IP address indicating they were co-workers and the email complaints for this account came from an address registered to the other account. It is possible their error in registration was an honest mistake, but it was a mistake that resulted in us not getting the funds regardless.
BTW, the other account is up over $7000 and we have paid out every penny as all his deposits have cleared!" >><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What Patrick McIrish said-
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR><< Ken, forgive me for being reluctant to believe this without question. This sounds very plausible to you.....?
BoDog IS ALREADY VERY SUSPICIOUS of this account yet they still allowed bets? They not only let this account play, nothing is done or said until they owe this person $6000? Thought they were suspicious? When did they notify this person of the NSF? Why would they ever release the funds to be bet with in the first place before they were sure the money was good? They allowed the person to play and now that he won there is a problem? And one other thing Ken have you ever heard of a case like this where they made a mistake and allowed a player to bet and then PUT BACK some loses into an account? Just give me one example of BoDog doing this! It is almost unreal how fortunate BoDog is that though this suspicious person not only snuck in and BoDog allowed them to play, but it was very fortunate they are now forced to confiscate this players winnings!!! Gee that is much better than if the person would have lost $6000. But it is plausible for you to believe had this player lost BoDog would be telling them "no we allowed you to bet and it was our mistake, you keep the $6000 you lost". I think I'm going to puke....
Lastly as if this isn't pathetic enough, BoDog claims in an attempt to sooth customer fears,
BTW, the other account is up over $7000 and we have paid out every penny as all his deposits have cleared!"
Huh? Thought they said above HER INITIAL DEPOSIT?? Now they are claiming this one is a him? Oh that's right they somehow deduced these were co-workers? LOL. The worst part is that outside of the lies here they want brownie points for paying someone that has beat them out of $7000? That's what they are in business to do. Has BoDog really slumped to this level of bragging on paying a man his money? I guess we are supposed to say, hey BoDog paid another person $7000, they probably didn't take shot here for $6000. Seems logical to me.
This is a bettor with a history of playing through sportsbooks, claims he would even offer up references. Yet we are told that BoDog made a mistake and allowed this player to wager but won't honor the bets now. They did not catch the player before he won big bucks even though they were suspicious before it happened? Then as a coincidence this player won a good sized amount and was never notifed of anything until he won the money? Even still the players bank said there would be no problem at all with this money being deposited. Yet this is very plausbile to you Ken? I'm very thankful we have watchdog sites with your tenacity around sir.
Anyway don't worry about it. I know they send you a check monthly so a lot of things are pretty plausible to you and Peep. Maybe you can open up a special forum for the BoDog players when this one runs out with their money like NAB and the others have. BTW we hear anything from WagersParadise of late? Peace out. >><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
(SORRY, NO LIVE LINKS, TY)
So is this what it all comes down to? Bogusdog makes up some shlt about the account being NSF AND, in case that wasn't enough, from a suspicious IP address. For liars and cheats, bogusdog ain't very good at it. Let's see some of these records! Did the Shrink listen to the tapes of the dispute? If that pitiful sounding bullshlt is all bogusdog can come up with in the way of proof, I have to say that anyone who would trust them with a single dollar of postup cash is a fool.
